LS1 Engine Copper Levels
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© 2003 Brian F. Schreurs
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If one thing has been abundantly clear in our oil life study, it's that our engine is chewing through copper at an unusually high pace. Since the oil itself has no copper additive, it's all coming from the engine somewhere.

Blackstone Labs has been increasingly concerned with the levels of our copper; the first report, they noted "Copper tends to read high in new GM engines until quite a few miles have been accumulated -- we've seen it linger past 30,000 miles." So we started out fairly relaxed about the situation; this changed with the second report, which read "We don't think copper should have increased as much as it has. This copper level is either from an additive or a poorly wearing bronze or brass part." Of course, we're not using an additive, so we started to grow concerned. We sent an e-mail asking for a clarification on this evaluation, but never got a response. Finally, the third analysis included, "If you're not [using an additive], it's time to change out this oil. The copper level is causing the wear to be too abrasive for further use. The copper may be coming from a poorly wearing bronze or brass part."

Tester

Vehicle

Miles

Copper

Oil

Lab

“1 FMF”

02 Camaro SS

1,000

201

factory fill

Dyson

Bud H

00 Z28

3,000

121

Mobil 1

Blackstone

 

02 Trans Am

3,300

220

Mobil 1

 

R. Douglas

Camaro SS

4,000

167

Royal Purple

Dyson

Craig Leres

00 Camaro SS

4,500

95

Mobil 1

Blackstone

“1 FMF”

02 Camaro SS

4,660

151

Chevron

Dyson

Shane Shepherd

02 Trans Am

6,125

263

Red Line

Blackstone

“Vettenuts”

02 Corvette

6,955

169

Amsoil

Dyson

Ryan

02 Camaro SS

7,159

117

Schaeffer’s

 

Chris “jimmypop13”

02 Trans Am

7,515

168

Royal Purple

Dyson

 

01 Corvette

8,000

107

Mobil 1

 

“1 FMF”

02 Camaro SS

8,200

146

Mobil 1

Blackstone

 

02 Camaro SS

8,850

93

Royal Purple

Dyson

“Weezz”

02 Trans Am

9,900

106

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Shane Shepherd

02 Trans Am

10,128

298

Red Line

Blackstone

Bud H

00 Z28

10,000

104

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Chris B

02 Z28

10,366

118

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Patman

02 Camaro SS

10,600

216

Royal Purple

WearCheck

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

11,009

58

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Tom Laverty

01 Corvette

11,264

96

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

11,983

75

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Minivette

01 Corvette Z06

13,000

110

Royal Purple

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

13,021

81

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Craig Leres

00  Camaro SS

13,444

51

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Steve Hovis

01 Trans Am

13,451

79

 

 

Patman

02 Camaro SS

13,600

117

Royal Purple

WearCheck

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

13,975

99

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

14,947

102

Mobil 1

Blackstone

 

01 Trans Am

15,000

60

Castrol Syntec

Blackstone

Tom Laverty

01 Corvette

15,375

69

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

15,949

105

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Bud H

00 Z28

16,000

47

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Patman

02 Camaro SS

16,600

130

Royal Purple

WearCheck

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

16,933

101

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

17,950

111

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

18,950

124

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Craig Leres

00 Camaro SS

19,557

39

Mobil 1

Blackstone

 

Camaro Z28

20,000

104

Royal Purple

 

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

20,028

110

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

20,941

127

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

21,964

124

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Tom Laverty

01 Corvette

22,529

46

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

22,969

106

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

23,915

110

Mobil 1

Blackstone

David Chadwick

01 Corvette

24,157

68

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Pat Stark

00 Trans Am

24,203

21

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

24,925

105

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Bud H

00 Z28

25,000

27

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

25,965

108

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

26,970

114

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paradise Garage

02 Z28

27,960

102

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Pat Stark

00 Trans Am

29,416

74

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Al

00 Z28

30,600

80

Royal Purple

Blackstone

Craig Leres

00 Camaro SS

31,456

18

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Pat Stark

00 Trans Am

33,161

58

Mobil 1

Blackstone

“Space Pope”

Commodore

33,305

69

Royal Purple

 

 

99 Z28

38,000

24

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paul

Firehawk

39,085

136

Red Line

Blackstone

Pat Stark

00 Trans Am

44,555

31

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paul Chapin

99 Trans Am

45,000

15

Castrol GTX

Blackstone

Chad Murda

02 Trans Am

51,500

26

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Pat stark

00 Trans Am

52,094

24

Mobil 1

Blackstone

“Sonny99SS”

99 Camaro SS

60,044

14

Castrol GTX

Dyson

 

99 Corvette

62,000

10

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Chuck Falkler

98 Corvette

64,168

3

Mobil 1

Blackstone

Paul Chapin

99 Trans Am

75,000

5

Castrol GTX

Blackstone

Paul Chapin

99 Trans Am

81,000

11

Castrol GTX

Blackstone

Now we were really alarmed at this situation, so we started to do some research. We searched the web for other people with oil analysis results from LS1-powered vehicles and gathered their copper data in this table to the right.

We found every online test we could, and so far our own results don't seem out of line for the LS1 engine. In fact, our car seems to be pretty typical. For this reason, unless the results become far more alarming, we intend to disregard the high concentrations of copper as an inevitable consequence of testing on the LS1 engine.

We finally had a chance to discuss these findings with an analyst at Blackstone, and they agreed that these results seem to be fairly typical for LS1s, while still pointing out that they were considered high. However, they do not believe there is great cause for alarm so long as our iron and lead numbers do not suddenly rise. We asked why copper from an additive is okay but copper from the engine is bad, and they explained that engine copper is in its pure form -- little shards of metal floating around. However, copper from an additive is bonded as part of a molecule and lacks sharp edges. This kind of weird thing can happen at the particulate level.

The data in this table is hardly the nice smooth curve we'd like it to be -- in fact, it's so scattered that we didn't bother with presenting a graph along with the table. What we need is more information so we can weed out the irregular cars and determine what a typical LS1 is like.

To keep the idea of "contamination" in perspective, keep in mind that 81 ppm is 0.000081% of the volume of oil; that is, out of a full crankcase of oil, there's less than half a milliliter of copper in it -- about four grams' worth.

If you own any LS1-powered car and have conducted an oil analysis using any oil at any point in the car's life, please let us know about it so we can include your data in this study.

A while back, we got our hands on a copy of an SAE Technical Paper, 1997 GM 5.7 Liter LS1 V8 Engine, number 970915, from 1997. It provides a detailed description of the engineering behind the LS1 engine, including the type of metal used in most of the parts. Far and away the most likely candidate for copper shedding seems to be the engine's cam and crank bearings. The number three crank bearing, in fact, was designed specifically "to minimize the effect of thermal growth differences between the aluminum block and iron crankshaft." In other words, it's got a tough job: if the block and crank disagree on clearances, this bearing loses. Bearing wear is also consistent with enthusiasts' observations when they tear down their engines.

Our guess proved close. At an SAE conference this year, we met up with an R&D engineer from General Motors. He checked into the copper issue for us, and the answer is: the camshaft bearings. They shed copper during break-in (and apparently they take a while to break in, eh?). It's normal and won't cause any problems.